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2004-08 ENGINE Engine Mount Control System - TSX <meta name="InColGX" content=""> </head> <body bgcolor="white" text="black"> <h1>2004-08 ENGINE</h1> <h1>Engine Mount Control System - TSX</h1><a name="S09218439842008080900000"></a><h2 class="clsHeadOne">Component Location Index</h2> <p><span class="clsFig"><a class="clsExtGraphicLink" onclick="ajaxModalImg($(this).attr('id'))" id="G05489984" name="S09312982522008080900000">Fig. 1: Identifying Engine Mount Control System Component Location</a><br><span class="clsCourtesyNote">Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.</span></span></p><a name="S40634609452008080900000"></a><h2 class="clsHeadOne">Circuit Diagram</h2> <p><span class="clsFig"><a class="clsExtGraphicLink" onclick="ajaxModalImg($(this).attr('id'))" id="G05489985" name="S37886047102008080900000">Fig. 2: Engine Mount Control System - Circuit Diagram</a><br><span class="clsCourtesyNote">Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.</span></span></p><a name="S27827245812008080900000"></a><h2 class="clsHeadOne">Troubleshooting</h2> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">Special Tools Required</span> </p> <p>Vacuum pump/gauge, 0-30 in.Hg Snap-on YA4000A or equivalent, commercially available</p> <p><span class="clsNote"><table> <tr> <td class="clsNoteLabel"><span>NOTE:</span></td> <td>Check the vacuum hoses and lines for damage and proper connections before troubleshooting.</td> </tr> </table></span></p> <p>Follow this procedure if the engine vibrates excessively when idling.</p> <ol class="clsARABICNUM"> <li>Check the idle speed (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293811_S01021086022008080900000">IDLE SPEED INSPECTION</a> ).</li> <li>Raise the engine speed from idling to 2,000 rpm.</li> <li>Check the MOUNT CTRL SOL in the PGM-FI DATA LIST with the Honda Diagnostic System (HDS).<p><span class="clsEmphITAL">Is ON indicated at idling and OFF indicated at 2,000 rpm?</span> </p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">YES</span> -Go to step 4.</p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">NO</span> -Update the engine control module (ECM)/ powertrain control module (PCM) if it does not have the latest software (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293834_S22898398782008080900000">UPDATING THE ECM/PCM</a> ), or substitute a known-good ECM/PCM (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293834_S18023811032008080900000">SUBSTITUTING THE ECM/PCM</a> ), then recheck. If the engine mount control system works properly, and the ECM/PCM was updated, the troubleshooting is complete. If the ECM/PCM was substituted, replace the original ECM/PCM, '04-05 models (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293835_S29762031112008080900000">ECM/PCM REPLACEMENT</a> ), '06-08 models (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293835_S14835388262008080900000">'06-08 MODELS</a> ).</p> </li> <li>Turn the ignition switch OFF.</li> <li>Disconnect the engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector from the engine mount control solenoid valve.</li> <li>Turn the ignition switch ON (II).</li> <li>Measure the voltage between engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector terminal No. 2 and body ground.<p><span class="clsFig"><a class="clsExtGraphicLink" onclick="ajaxModalImg($(this).attr('id'))" id="G05489986" name="S24026662282008080900000">Fig. 3: Measuring Voltage Between Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve 2P Connector Terminal No. 2 And Body Ground</a><br><span class="clsCourtesyNote">Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.</span></span></p> <p><span class="clsEmphITAL">Is there battery voltage?</span> </p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">YES</span> -Go to step 8.</p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">NO</span> -Repair open in the wire between engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector terminal No. 2 and No. 18 (15 A) fuse in the under-dash fuse/relay box.</p> </li> <li>Start the engine, and let it idle.</li> <li>Measure the voltage between engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector terminals No. 1 and No. 2.<p><span class="clsFig"><a class="clsExtGraphicLink" onclick="ajaxModalImg($(this).attr('id'))" id="G05489987" name="S31181929382008080900000">Fig. 4: Measuring Voltage Between Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve 2P Connector Terminals No. 1 And No. 2</a><br><span class="clsCourtesyNote">Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.</span></span></p> <p><span class="clsEmphITAL">Is there battery voltage?</span> </p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">YES</span> -Go to step 10.</p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">NO</span> -Repair open in the wire between ECM/PCM (B15) and the engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector. If the wire is OK, update the ECM/PCM if it does not have the latest software (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293834_S22898398782008080900000">UPDATING THE ECM/PCM</a> ), or substitute a known-good ECM/PCM (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293834_S18023811032008080900000">SUBSTITUTING THE ECM/PCM</a> ), and recheck. If the engine mount control system works properly, and the ECM/PCM was updated, the troubleshooting is complete. If the ECM/PCM was substituted, replace the original ECM/PCM, '04-05 models (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293835_S29762031112008080900000">ECM/PCM REPLACEMENT</a> ), '06-08 models (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293835_S14835388262008080900000">'06-08 MODELS</a> ).</p> </li> <li>Raise the engine speed above 1,000 rpm.</li> <li>Measure the voltage between engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector terminals No. 1 and No. 2.<p><span class="clsFig"><a class="clsExtGraphicLink" onclick="ajaxModalImg($(this).attr('id'))" id="G05489988" name="S39438529922008080900000">Fig. 5: Measuring Voltage Between Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve 2P Connector Terminals No. 1 And No. 2</a><br><span class="clsCourtesyNote">Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.</span></span></p> <p><span class="clsEmphITAL">Is there battery voltage?</span> </p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">YES</span> -Repair short to body ground in the wire between ECM/PCM (B15) and the engine mount control solenoid valve. If the wire is OK, update the ECM/PCM if it does not have the latest software (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293834_S22898398782008080900000">UPDATING THE ECM/PCM</a> ), or substitute a known-good ECM/PCM (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293834_S18023811032008080900000">SUBSTITUTING THE ECM/PCM</a> ), and recheck. If the engine mount control system works properly, and the ECM/PCM was updated, the troubleshooting is complete. If the ECM/PCM was substituted, replace the original ECM/PCM, '04-05 models (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293835_S29762031112008080900000">ECM/PCM REPLACEMENT</a> ), '06-08 models (see <a class="clsExtHyperlink" id="A00293835_S14835388262008080900000">'06-08 MODELS</a> ).</p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">NO</span> -Go to step 12.</p> </li> <li>Turn the ignition switch OFF.</li> <li>Disconnect the upper vacuum hose (A) from the engine mount control solenoid valve (B), and connect a vacuum pump/gauge, 0-30 in.Hg, to the hose. Apply about 20 in.Hg of vacuum, and wait 20 seconds.<p><span class="clsFig"><a class="clsExtGraphicLink" onclick="ajaxModalImg($(this).attr('id'))" id="G05489989" name="S26706888272008080900000">Fig. 6: Disconnecting Upper Vacuum Hose From Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve And Connect Vacuum Pump/Gauge To Hose</a><br><span class="clsCourtesyNote">Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.</span></span></p> <p><span class="clsEmphITAL">Does the engine mount hold vacuum?</span> </p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">YES</span> -Go to step 14.</p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">NO</span> -Either the vacuum hose or the engine mount has a vacuum leak. Repair as needed.</p> </li> <li>Release the vacuum, then apply vacuum again.<p><span class="clsEmphITAL">Is there a noticeable change in idle smoothness with and without vacuum applied?</span> </p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">YES</span> -Go to step 15.</p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">NO</span> -Replace the front engine mount.</p> </li> <li>Connect a vacuum pump/gauge, 0-30 in.Hg, to the engine mount control solenoid valve (A).<p><span class="clsFig"><a class="clsExtGraphicLink" onclick="ajaxModalImg($(this).attr('id'))" id="G05489990" name="S17068910072008080900000">Fig. 7: Connecting Vacuum Pump/Gauge To Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve</a><br><span class="clsCourtesyNote">Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.</span></span></p> <p><span class="clsEmphITAL">Is there manifold vacuum at idle, and a decrease in manifold vacuum when you raise the engine speed above 1,000 rpm?</span> </p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">YES</span> -The system is OK.</p> <p><span class="clsEmphBOLD">NO</span> -Replace the engine mount control solenoid valve.</p> </li> </ol> </body> </html>

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ENGINE MOUNT CONTROL SYSTEM

  • HEADINGS
    • Component Location Index
    • Circuit Diagram
    • Troubleshooting
  • FIGURES
    • Fig. 1: Identifying Engine Mount Control System Component Location
    • Fig. 2: Engine Mount Control System - Circuit Diagram
    • Fig. 3: Measuring Voltage Between Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve 2P Connector Terminal No. 2 And Body Ground
    • Fig. 4: Measuring Voltage Between Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve 2P Connector Terminals No. 1 And No. 2
    • Fig. 5: Measuring Voltage Between Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve 2P Connector Terminals No. 1 And No. 2
    • Fig. 6: Disconnecting Upper Vacuum Hose From Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve And Connect Vacuum Pump/Gauge To Hose
    • Fig. 7: Connecting Vacuum Pump/Gauge To Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve
  • TABLES

2004-08 ENGINE

Engine Mount Control System - TSX

Component Location Index

Fig. 1: Identifying Engine Mount Control System Component Location
Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

Circuit Diagram

Fig. 2: Engine Mount Control System - Circuit Diagram
Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

Troubleshooting

Special Tools Required

Vacuum pump/gauge, 0-30 in.Hg Snap-on YA4000A or equivalent, commercially available

NOTE: Check the vacuum hoses and lines for damage and proper connections before troubleshooting.

Follow this procedure if the engine vibrates excessively when idling.

  1. Check the idle speed (see IDLE SPEED INSPECTION ).
  2. Raise the engine speed from idling to 2,000 rpm.
  3. Check the MOUNT CTRL SOL in the PGM-FI DATA LIST with the Honda Diagnostic System (HDS).

    Is ON indicated at idling and OFF indicated at 2,000 rpm?

    YES -Go to step 4.

    NO -Update the engine control module (ECM)/ powertrain control module (PCM) if it does not have the latest software (see UPDATING THE ECM/PCM ), or substitute a known-good ECM/PCM (see SUBSTITUTING THE ECM/PCM ), then recheck. If the engine mount control system works properly, and the ECM/PCM was updated, the troubleshooting is complete. If the ECM/PCM was substituted, replace the original ECM/PCM, '04-05 models (see ECM/PCM REPLACEMENT ), '06-08 models (see '06-08 MODELS ).

  4. Turn the ignition switch OFF.
  5. Disconnect the engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector from the engine mount control solenoid valve.
  6. Turn the ignition switch ON (II).
  7. Measure the voltage between engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector terminal No. 2 and body ground.

    Fig. 3: Measuring Voltage Between Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve 2P Connector Terminal No. 2 And Body Ground
    Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

    Is there battery voltage?

    YES -Go to step 8.

    NO -Repair open in the wire between engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector terminal No. 2 and No. 18 (15 A) fuse in the under-dash fuse/relay box.

  8. Start the engine, and let it idle.
  9. Measure the voltage between engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector terminals No. 1 and No. 2.

    Fig. 4: Measuring Voltage Between Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve 2P Connector Terminals No. 1 And No. 2
    Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

    Is there battery voltage?

    YES -Go to step 10.

    NO -Repair open in the wire between ECM/PCM (B15) and the engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector. If the wire is OK, update the ECM/PCM if it does not have the latest software (see UPDATING THE ECM/PCM ), or substitute a known-good ECM/PCM (see SUBSTITUTING THE ECM/PCM ), and recheck. If the engine mount control system works properly, and the ECM/PCM was updated, the troubleshooting is complete. If the ECM/PCM was substituted, replace the original ECM/PCM, '04-05 models (see ECM/PCM REPLACEMENT ), '06-08 models (see '06-08 MODELS ).

  10. Raise the engine speed above 1,000 rpm.
  11. Measure the voltage between engine mount control solenoid valve 2P connector terminals No. 1 and No. 2.

    Fig. 5: Measuring Voltage Between Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve 2P Connector Terminals No. 1 And No. 2
    Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

    Is there battery voltage?

    YES -Repair short to body ground in the wire between ECM/PCM (B15) and the engine mount control solenoid valve. If the wire is OK, update the ECM/PCM if it does not have the latest software (see UPDATING THE ECM/PCM ), or substitute a known-good ECM/PCM (see SUBSTITUTING THE ECM/PCM ), and recheck. If the engine mount control system works properly, and the ECM/PCM was updated, the troubleshooting is complete. If the ECM/PCM was substituted, replace the original ECM/PCM, '04-05 models (see ECM/PCM REPLACEMENT ), '06-08 models (see '06-08 MODELS ).

    NO -Go to step 12.

  12. Turn the ignition switch OFF.
  13. Disconnect the upper vacuum hose (A) from the engine mount control solenoid valve (B), and connect a vacuum pump/gauge, 0-30 in.Hg, to the hose. Apply about 20 in.Hg of vacuum, and wait 20 seconds.

    Fig. 6: Disconnecting Upper Vacuum Hose From Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve And Connect Vacuum Pump/Gauge To Hose
    Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

    Does the engine mount hold vacuum?

    YES -Go to step 14.

    NO -Either the vacuum hose or the engine mount has a vacuum leak. Repair as needed.

  14. Release the vacuum, then apply vacuum again.

    Is there a noticeable change in idle smoothness with and without vacuum applied?

    YES -Go to step 15.

    NO -Replace the front engine mount.

  15. Connect a vacuum pump/gauge, 0-30 in.Hg, to the engine mount control solenoid valve (A).

    Fig. 7: Connecting Vacuum Pump/Gauge To Engine Mount Control Solenoid Valve
    Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

    Is there manifold vacuum at idle, and a decrease in manifold vacuum when you raise the engine speed above 1,000 rpm?

    YES -The system is OK.

    NO -Replace the engine mount control solenoid valve.

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